rights and tools of the mod team

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    Max Mustermann Classic Tour Administrator Staff Member

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    First, sorry for writing in english in the spanish section. But as this only affects the spanish community, I wanted to post it here.

    There is currently a very bad discussion going on about mods using cheats and abusing their powers. Concrete it's about mods being able to see what surface the next ot cup match will be played on and about mods banning people if they dont like what they write. I want to clarify what mods are able to do and what they are asked to do as a mod.

    There is a seperate admin panel which all mods have access to. There is a rights system which enables me to decide what specific parts of the admin panel are visible and usable to which mod. After all, its mainly that I am able to see and use all parts while all mods have restricted access to the part where users are adminstrated (changing the name of users or the accounts status - active, deleted, etc) and to the chat part where they can view past messages of the channels that are visible to all users (so this does NOT contain the team channels). There is also a team part, but this is not accessible for mods (apart from that it does not offer to see the surface at all). So there is absolutely no option for mods to see any team internal informations.

    Second, mods are able to give temporary bans. "Temporary" means that there is a maximum of 1 day and after that it has no further effects for the user who got that ban. Furthermore they have the option to REPORT a message. I get then a list of all reported messages and I can decide what to do. Depending on what was written I can deny a ban completely or give ban levels. Ban levels add up over time and the higher the overall ban level is, the longer a user is banned. It starts with short periods like 1 day and ends with a lifetime ban at level 15.
    So here again: Mods are only able to give short time, temporary bans and report messages. Ban levels and longer bans can only be given by me.

    Now the spanish mod team has been offended by some people (by error as I explained above) which is not ok and will be punished now because of the repeated and lasting way. I understand that these people feel that they have been cheated on, but thats still no reason for blaming others in the public. If you actually feel that a mod has misbehaved, you should instead contact me via [email protected] with a concrete example so I can investigate that. I received some messages yesterday with complaints, but actually there were no concrete examples of a misbehaviour. So I ask you to add them and send it via email to that address.

    Regards,
    Daniel
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    Max Mustermann Classic Tour Administrator Staff Member

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    As this text is about the spanish mod team, I ask someone who is NOT part of the mod team to translated this text into spanish to avoid any conflicts.
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    Manuel Fallon Classic Tour Well-Known Member

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    A Federico Azzi, Nestor Garcia, Diego Paganucci, Diego Gonzalez y a Federico Estrada no les gusta eso.
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    Emiliano Longo Classic Tour Active Member

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    A pedido de Daniel, al no ser parte del staff, lo traduzco:

    "En primer lugar, perdón por escribir en inglés en la sección española. Pero ya que esto sólo afecta a esta comunidad, quería publicarlo acá.

    Actualmente existe una muy mala discusión acerca de que los mods utilizan trucos y abusan de sus poderes. En concreto se trata de mods capaces de ver la superficie del próximo partido de copa ot que se jugará y también mods que banean a la gente si no les gusta lo que escriben. Quiero aclarar entonces que es lo que los mods pueden hacer y lo que se les pide hacer como mod.

    Hay un panel de administración separado a la cual todos los mods tienen acceso. Hay un sistema de derechos que me permite decidir qué partes específicas del panel de administración son visibles y utilizables para cada mod. Después de todo, yo soy capaz de ver y utilizar todas las partes, mientras que todos los mods tienen restringido el acceso a la parte en que se administran los usuarios (cambiando el nombre de los usuarios o el estado de las cuentas - activa, borrado, etc.) y para la parte de chat donde se pueden ver los mensajes anteriores de los canales que son visibles para todos los usuarios (por lo que este no contiene los canales del equipo). También hay una parte del equipo, pero esto no es accesible para mods (aparte de eso, no ofrece ver la superficie en absoluto). Así que no hay absolutamente ninguna opción para mods para ver cualquier tipo de informaciones internas.

    En segundo lugar, los mods son capaces de dar bans temporales. "Temporal" significa que hay un máximo de 1 día y después no tiene efectos adicionales para el usuario que tiene ese ban. Además, tienen la opción de reportar un mensaje. Llega a continuación una lista de todos los mensajes reportados y yo puedo decidir qué hacer. Dependiendo de lo que estaba escrito, puedo dar un ban completo o dar niveles de bans. Estos niveles se suman con el tiempo y el nivel más alto de ban es, cuanto más tiempo un usuario está baneado. Se inicia con períodos cortos como de 1 día y termina con una suspensión de por vida en el nivel 15.
    Así que aquí de nuevo: los mods sólo son capaces de dar bans temporales por tiempos cortos y reportar mensajes. Los niveles de ban y prohibiciones más largas sólo pueden ser proporcionadas por mí.

    Ahora el equipo de mods español ha sido ofendido por algunas personas (por error como expliqué anteriormente) que no estuvieron bien y serán castigados ahora por las acciones repetidas y duraderas. Entiendo que estas personas sienten que han sido engañadas, pero eso no es razón para culpar a otros en público. Si realmente siente que un mod se ha portado mal, en su lugar debe ponerse en contacto conmigo a través de [email protected] con un ejemplo concreto para que pueda investigar eso. He recibido algunos mensajes de ayer con las quejas, pero en realidad no había ejemplos concretos de un mal comportamiento. Así que les pido que los adjunten y envíen por correo electrónico a esa dirección.

    Saludos,
    Daniel"
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    Nicolás Pigni Speed Tour New Member

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    There is no evidence of abuse and racism by some mods? You dismiss all the time, you despise and spare all the time. How not to get angry with people instead of "help" generate discussions? Daniel, you should read the Spanish chat translator accompanying you to understand why the OTmails. Such moderator indicated in the mail is the main actor of such acts.
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    Emiliano Longo Classic Tour Active Member

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    Si ya estaba harto yo, no me quiero imaginar ellos Pigni
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    Fede Estrada Classic Tour New Member

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    When did us complained about the surfaces??? That is NOT what we all wrote in the complain. I believe that you Daniel received the mail and then asked to that moderator what the hell was going on......wrong....Such moderator manipulated the subject and main theme of our complain... we NEVER write even the word SURFACE on the complain, this is WRONG and somebody should FIX it
    Even more: When did Estrada, Azzi, Paganucci, Gonzalez complained about that called "surface cheat"??? NEVER, and even if someone was badly interpretated by believing that, that person made a clearly statement that it WASNT what he meant
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    Nicolás Pigni Speed Tour New Member

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    Igualmente no son necesarios los insultos y los ninguneos. Eso es lo que reclamamos en el mail. Son moderadores "la cara visible" de ot en español, no me parece correcto que alguien perteneciente al staff venga y te insulte o te maltrate como ellos lo hacen, y vamos a ser sinceros. El único que lo hace, es Sabbatini, es muy soberbio y se piensa que es importante por un juego online. No se si habrá chatslogs para revisar, pero claramente se jactó de que nos ganaba a mi y a mi hermano en el CT de una manera muy burda y baja.
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    Sébastien Tremblay Classic Tour Well-Known Member

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    Don't lie man, seriously. I was there. You were all saying that we were a mafia, and that Jorge has acces to other accounts.

    By the way, you're Estrada. Why are you writing in third person? That was funny
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    Fede Estrada Classic Tour New Member

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    Tremblay then show us with evidence like Mecke said, where did we said all that, and even look if someone like Diego Gonzalez, finally said : oh ok, I was wrong about that, I dont believe TSA is cheating, sorry.
    Show me where I said that Jorge had access to other accounts.
    And even more, you are missing the point, we didnt write a complain about that subject (like I explained before)
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    Sébastien Tremblay Classic Tour Well-Known Member

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    No, but WE DID. You cannot just say that in public. I mean, it's even on the rules. If you got some issues, then write a report to Daniel and that's all. We did it, and Daniel checked the chat logs, that's why you guys are all banned. It's simple as that. He decides about the heavy bans, not Maximo.

    And about YOUR complain, let's see what Daniel will do.
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    Emiliano Longo Classic Tour Active Member

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    En eso no te puedo ayudar yo, porque no recuerdo estar en ese momento, entro cada tanto y solo veo que el mismo tema sigue y sigue. Ya cansa. Jorge, por ejemplo, solo por ser el capitán del equipo se banco todo tipo de acusaciones sin pruebas y totalmente gratis, vamos, sean sensatos, era totalmente innecesario, y yo recuerdo que no solo a él, sino que acusaron a todos los moderadores. Por favor.
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    Nicolás Pigni Speed Tour New Member

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    Cuando me contestó en su momento, acepté mi error y le pedí disculpas. Pero Sabbatini cada vez que TSA perdía se la agarraba con Fabian y conmigo, con insultos, racismo y ninguneos. O me vas a decir que no leiste la gastada de "todavía no sos nº1" o la otra que me decía "me cansé de garcharlos a vos y a tu hermano en el CT porque son horribles"
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    Fede Estrada Classic Tour New Member

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    I didnt mention anything about the heavy bans.... but now clearly I see that you guys showed only a part of the chatlogs, but dont worry, we will take care of that...
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    Sébastien Tremblay Classic Tour Well-Known Member

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    Are you blind or something. DANIEL MECKE CHECKED THE CHAT LOG OF EVERY SINGLE USER THAT WAS REPORTED. He can check the chat log of EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the Admin Panel.

    For god's sake.
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    Fede Estrada Classic Tour New Member

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    Oh god Im so sorry!!..... Clearly you guys showed him the evidence, and only what you guys wanted.... otherwise he would clearly noticed about several racists comments by Sabbatini. I might be blind but im not a fool, eitherway this is going nowhere and you are not even the person to discuss this with.
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    Emiliano Longo Classic Tour Active Member

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    Como te dije antes, estoy masomenos al tanto del tema pero entro cada tanto, no en determinado momento que me digan que entre para que vea todo lo que ponen, tampoco se que pusieron muchos de los que Daniel dijo que iba a bannear. Yo solamente planteo que no era justo, yo jamás ofendí a ningún equipo. Ni tampoco muchos de mis amigos del equipo. Asi que si hay cosas puntuales que vos sabés, como recién mencionaste, vos se las tenés que hacer saber, como ya Daniel explicó arriba. Bueno, al estar todo explicado, creo que se puede cerrar el tema acá. Saludos.
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    Sébastien Tremblay Classic Tour Well-Known Member

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    The evidence? hahahaha, you're so funny.


    By the way, I'm tired about all this. And the worst part is that the these guys are always the trouble makers. Just remember who started a "fight" between "south americans" and "europeans".
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    Nicolás Pigni Speed Tour New Member

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    Support? No contesta nunca, es al pedo.
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    Emiliano Longo Classic Tour Active Member

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    Y el support es mejor. Se sabe que por ot mails rara vez contesta. Creo que de 10 que mandaba me respondía 2 o 3, no más. En support suele contestar con más frecuencia, es más, me contestó hace poco cuando le pregunté sobre un bug que me parecía que había en el speed. Y si no contesta, calculo que con insistencia te debe de tener que contestar.

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